Are online poker rooms rigged????..... NO and this why

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Posted on Sep 3rd 2008  -  Subject: Are online poker rooms rigged????..... NO and this why
Hi all, I have read a number of posts on poker forums all over the Internet with the question: Are poker rooms are rigged?.This is a bit of a long read...... Random card generators,this is an extract of an article that i came across when researching random card generators.I believe that this article points out that some poker sites have their random card generators inpected and tested,and others dont.I would like to add that i play on many of the sites that do and one site that dose not.My personal opinion is that all sites should be tested and inspected.I am happy to disclose the source of this article if required. Question: Playing online poker, I have found that a number of poker sites seem to reward players that play very loose and frequently go all-in. In addition, there seems to be an abundance of premium hands and monsters that occur, such as full houses and quads. Can you tell me which online site(s) offer truly random card selection and is not rigged? Answer: Facts about Online Poker Sites"Nothing but the facts ma'am." is how we are going to try and play this answer, because speculation can run with the wind depending on who is making them. The facts are that online poker sites are mostly run off-shore in places like Gibraltar, the Isle of Man, Costa Rica and other small micro-nations in places you haven't heard of. In addition, a number of these sites such as Party Poker and soon to be PokerStars are listed and traded as public companies on the London Exchange. Cryptologic, which runs a network of sites such as Caribbean Sun as well as InterPoker is also a long time company on the London Exchange. What does it mean if a company is public though? It means that their financial records (earnings, losses, liabilities) all need to be reported, in addition to the company holding shareholder meetings, board of director meetings and other such gatherings to inform the public (and mainly shareholders) of what the company is up to. While this hasn't stopped the truly nefarious from cooking the books (look at such figures as Enron over in the States), it does force a company to operate much more transparently than it once did before. On a whole, this means that the public companies are generally more trustworthy than the non-public companies, who do not have government oversight or regulations. That said, most online poker sites do voluntarily undergo an oversight committee or commission that verifies both their financial stability and oversees player relationships. Gaming Commissions and Random Number Generator TestingGroups such as the Kahnawake Gaming Commission (based in Canada) are popular among a number of the poker sites for regulating and overseeing the poker sites. These commissions don't check the validity of the deal however, and instead just act as regulators to ensure that a site is operating under the bounds of their agreements. In all honestly, this more or less means the commission is paid to act as an authority, because there's not a lot of power they have over the poker sites! The real deal (pun intended) is the random number generator evaluation, which occurs by having a 3rd party come in to look at the poker sites' source code. The "source code" is the actual software that the site uses to create the random numbers, which can have many different methods. Most current generation random number generators use chaotic events such as atmospheric conditions, keyboard input across a wide scale or other wacky things that scientists and mathematicians come up with. Two sites that have submitted their code to random number generators are (again) Party Poker (iTech Labs) and PokerStars (Cigital). Having a third party test the code is quite imperative to ensuring that a site is operating within ethical boundaries. Without third party testing, a site could hot swap the deck at-will if they so wanted to. Of course, it's my personal belief that none of the major sites would do this because of the trouble they'd get into if they did (risking the whole business to make a few more bucks), but my speculations are no more fact-based than the speculations from those claiming the sites are biased. In short, if you're worried at all, play at a poker site with a verified random number generator!.   good luck all   jajatras
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Posted on Sep 4th 2008
I had read that years ago in the infancy of online poker rooms and psuedo RNG's as opposed to true RNG's that it was possible to cheat.  The reason being, the psuedo RNG's used a specific event to generate the numbers that represented the cards.  Thus after so many deals and some analysis you could know what was coming.  Didn't work preflop, you would need to see 5 cards in order to predict the turn and river, ie you had to see the flop.  It was also said that you could then determine the holdings of the remaining players.  This was done by another program that acted as an overlay to the poker room.    
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Posted on Sep 4th 2008
Online poker is rigged, just ask the many many players that are long term losers. It has nothing to do with the fact that their games may not be good enough for online play, or that they themselves may not be smart enough to take advantage of the many resources out there to help improve ones game. Yes my friends, online poker is rigged, fortunately, as long as it keeps rewarding the dumb players the odd time, the smart ones will always be able to take it right back and then some. Play well, play smart and in the long term, smart players will always come out ahead, its just a matter of what you decide the long term is.
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Posted on Sep 5th 2008
I hope that was not to imply that I am a loser, or that I believe online poker is rigged.  I posted about something I had read that dealt with cheating at online poker in the early days.  Granted it was a shortened version, but at least I didn't copy and paste it as my own.  And if I thought it was rigged, would I be playing today, no. If you would like me to post the article from the magazine I will provided it hasn't been thrown out.(was in the lounge at work)  
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Posted on Sep 5th 2008  -  Subject: hay
i wouldnt say the poker rooms are rigged or even sum id say its bad players makes bad callls and out of the blue thay hit that card on the river
If you not willing to lose money how can you axspect to win big
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Posted on Sep 7th 2008
No online poker certainly aint rigged, players online play differently than they would in a live game possibly due to the detachness of the situation. Also you can play at a lot lower stakes than a real life casino would not be able to support financially so the money they lose is pitifully small so it doesn't matter if they lose their long shot. Also with the big poker sites running their ad campaigns it attracts alot of players who never played before thinking its easy to win money online. There are probably a million other reasons why idiots have a habit of winning their long shots against you but I can't remember any more of them sadly. Though this subject of online poker is rigged keeps coming up on many forums like this one, primarily due to the big scandals of Absoulte Poker & Ulitmate Bet ( I won't say anymore more on this as I'm sure everyone knows about them & like me sick & tired of hearing about them). That means as poker players we have to keep our eyes open for the possibly of being had by the poker sites but not to condem every poker site as rigged without proof. With programs like Poker Tracker it is easy to spot unethical behaviour on poker sites so leave it to the poker geeks going through tens of thousands of hands & spotting something wrong
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