CHANGE IN FREEROLLS STARTING AUG. 8

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Posted on Jul 29th 2010
But you don't use the same time, overall they are later now. For the Europeans it means a lot if its played a little earlier, than for the US as it shouldn't matter when in the AFTERNOON they start playing. Can't really be that hard to understand. I'm not the only one ever asking for the tours to be played earlier. But I guess I'll just be one of those annoying sitouts that everyone loves so much. That should be PI' mission to avoid those sitouts, but PI obviously don't care. Could I have a stat over where PI players come from? I think we are most Europeans, right? I never asked PI to change the times just for me, I asked PI to start listening to their members. Whenever you guys ask for our opinion, we are ready, but name me one time, you guys have listened to our suggestions. I can't remember one time. As said I'll just be one of those annoying sitouts, as I won't ruin my following workday to play for those sums LOL
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Posted on Jul 29th 2010
I'm willing to see how it unfolds and what level of tourny's I get into on a regular basis. As someone who has to play at 6 or 7 Monday morning, I can pretty much say that it would inconvenience people from my end of the world a bit more that the Europeans ... but lets see how it pans out first.
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I don't think its suicide at all its just spreading the wealth a little more and not have 300-400 people raking 0.50$( just to get 1 PokerNibs) per week just to get 1200$ in Freerolls token, what about the players that were getting example  100 Poker Nibs or more its those players we were penalizing and not giving them more for their hard play. Basically what I am seeing so far in this thread from a couple members is they base their opinions on their own situation like it was applying to ALL PokerInside members when in fact it doesn't apply at all. If for example you were making 200 Poker Nibs a week you would LOVE to see that yes we do want to reward you for you hard work. Basically what I am trying to say is, look around the web check the freerolls available for 0.50$ in rake you barely have access to 50$ and 100$ freerolls we were giving out 1200$ every week! and this was penalizing the other players that rake more because they were not having some extra to play for. I think right now its VERY easy to get multiple freerolls tokens and once its started you guys will actually appreciate it, first of all it will tight up the competition which will be a good thing I am sure, and now you don't earn just one token you can earn ALL 6 and play them all on Sunday which is a very great addition in my opinion. Regarding the starting time, we figured out that the majority of the players were very satisfied with the Bronze/Silver/Gold starting time (nothing compared to the Player and Gambler) so we decide to leave it there since its basically 6-9PM in Europe and its about 2-4PM in EST time. If you think you we can setup better starting time, not only for you, but for a majority of players please feel free to share with us but as you know we can't change a starting time based on one member (if we could we would do it) As always guys we do welcome the constructive posts, we do welcome critics as well but PLEASE make sure you can back-up your saying with some ideas/suggestions etc just saying ''Oh its bad I won't play again'' etc etc doesn't bring anything constructive and is pretty much pointless since it helps nobody, to make things better. Sincerely, SimonWell Simon I just switch over to bodog and I am getting $1800 daily in freerolls for NOTHING. So you are catering to the bigger players and punishing the small fry! So now it cost the players $2 for a shot at $150 compared to 50 cents for a shot at a $500 pool. I would suggest that PI get a marketing group involved and try and figure out what you may have just done to your market share! Has PI done any forcasting? Some insight to your decision making would be appreciated! As a PI member, you are entitled to over $17,900 USD in EXCLUSIVE Freerolls every month! Keep in mind you will competing only against other PokerInside members, so you have a huge advantage and a great chance at winning. PokerInside Freerolls are the best: The gamblers is full of non PI members and you know it! This has come right from your sight and its soooooooo misleading and PI is moving backwards. PI and Betmost need to find a way to fix this quickly reducing amount of players. You need a market research group to give you some advice. I use to play $3-$6 limit tables and now if 1 table is active its a miracle!
Steel69
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Posted on Jul 29th 2010
I don't think its suicide at all its just spreading the wealth a little more and not have 300-400 people raking 0.50$( just to get 1 PokerNibs) per week just to get 1200$ in Freerolls token, what about the players that were getting example  100 Poker Nibs or more its those players we were penalizing and not giving them more for their hard play. Basically what I am seeing so far in this thread from a couple members is they base their opinions on their own situation like it was applying to ALL PokerInside members when in fact it doesn't apply at all. If for example you were making 200 Poker Nibs a week you would LOVE to see that yes we do want to reward you for you hard work. Basically what I am trying to say is, look around the web check the freerolls available for 0.50$ in rake you barely have access to 50$ and 100$ freerolls we were giving out 1200$ every week! and this was penalizing the other players that rake more because they were not having some extra to play for. I think right now its VERY easy to get multiple freerolls tokens and once its started you guys will actually appreciate it, first of all it will tight up the competition which will be a good thing I am sure, and now you don't earn just one token you can earn ALL 6 and play them all on Sunday which is a very great addition in my opinion. Regarding the starting time, we figured out that the majority of the players were very satisfied with the Bronze/Silver/Gold starting time (nothing compared to the Player and Gambler) so we decide to leave it there since its basically 6-9PM in Europe and its about 2-4PM in EST time. If you think you we can setup better starting time, not only for you, but for a majority of players please feel free to share with us but as you know we can't change a starting time based on one member (if we could we would do it) As always guys we do welcome the constructive posts, we do welcome critics as well but PLEASE make sure you can back-up your saying with some ideas/suggestions etc just saying ''Oh its bad I won't play again'' etc etc doesn't bring anything constructive and is pretty much pointless since it helps nobody, to make things better. Sincerely, Simon Well Simon I just switch over to bodog and I am getting $1800 daily in freerolls for NOTHING. So you are catering to the bigger players and punishing the small fry! So now it cost the players $2 for a shot at $150 compared to 50 cents for a shot at a $500 pool. I would suggest that PI get a marketing group involved and try and figure out what you may have just done to your market share! Has PI done any forcasting? Some insight to your decision making would be appreciated! As a PI member, you are entitled to over $17,900 USD in EXCLUSIVE Freerolls every month! Keep in mind you will competing only against other PokerInside members, so you have a huge advantage and a great chance at winning. PokerInside Freerolls are the best: The gamblers is full of non PI members and you know it! This has come right from your sight and its soooooooo misleading and PI is moving backwards. PI and Betmost need to find a way to fix this quickly reducing amount of players. You need a market research group to give you some advice. I use to play $3-$6 limit tables and now if 1 table is active its a miracle! I have moved to carbon Poker starting yesterday, I will stay for the fantasy freeroll tho, then im out. To Simon, if you guys really do want to talk about freerolls, then they really werent that great.  THe poker inside player freeroll is has a $750 prize pool and has about 250 players making the token worth $3 and $500 bronze freeroll with also 250 players making it worth $2.  Which is pretty good.  However, check http://www.pokerinside.com/freerolls-events you guys claim to have TiltBlog.com Blogger Freeroll every month and Poker Team Freeroll #1 ,#2,#3, every 2 weeks, which I have yet to see tilblog and as far as I know, I havent seen fantasy #3, not to meantion #1 and #2 happens once a month, whats up with that?  THe reason I'm leaving is because I feel like I only recieved half the benefits that Im supoose to be getting.
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Posted on Jul 30th 2010
Another thing is that the lower tours, where there'll be most players, and therefore will be the longest tours starts later than the tours with a little number of players. Were there even some thinking involved when this all was worked out, or did you guys just put some starting times in a hat, and draw them out??? Keep on doing buiness like this, and PI and BetMost will be wiped of the face of the earth within the a year.
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Posted on Jul 30th 2010

MichFran: They are actually 30 minutes later, Bronze , Silver and Gold were starting at 19:00 and 19:30 for the Bronze so technically its 30mins we are talking about. If we see that a lot of players are asking for the tournaments to start 1-2 hours priors we will definitely look into it and adjust, but right now the ''metals'' (bronze, silver and gold) we have not receive many complaints about them since they are after dinner for most Europeans. But as I said we will definitely adjust if needed.

Samoh1: I really like that atttitude, you will see how it unfolds and then we can discuss more about it and make changes if needed. We have a tons of members that emailed us about the changes and are excited to see how it will go.

steel69: First of all sorry to hear that you are leaving for Bodog if 2x 500$ freerolls with 5000 players in it or so is better for you there is not much I can do. I just hope you will give the new freerolls structure a shot I am pretty sure you have WAY MORE chances to win one of our freerolls than winning any of the daily Bodog freerolls with a boat load of players but that is up to you to figure it out. To finish, if you were still playing 3$-6$ limits poker you know that you would be getting ALOT back with the Poker Payback and that you would probably qualify for ALL tournaments every week, I am not sure what is holding you out ... if you start playing the limits you are saying you play you would be HAPPY with the new changes since you would be rewarded for your hard play with a nice Poker Payback + 3200$ in Freerolls tokens every week. PS: That page you are referring to about freerolls will be updated and regarding the Gambler freerolls its a ''Marketing'' tools for affiliate and you know it as its been discussed many times already. Anyway, I hope you will give it a shot to see out it work out and I do welcome your ideas/suggestions if you have any but enough rant, let's move forward and see how it works out.

asdasdada: Sorry to hear you are going to Carbon I hope you are getting good benefits(no need to post them as its only concern you) as I said already this page you are referring to will be updated and reflect the new freeroll structure. No offense sir, but you have got you share of a tons of freerolls throughout PI and many other great benefits.

To conclude, all I am saying is that give a chance to the new freerolls structure if you play you will be rewarded like you should be. A lot of players have been playing WAY OVER the ''minimum requeriements'' for the past years and they were getting pretty much the same benefits as players that were only doing the minimum ... is it fair to them? I will repeat again put yourselves in other players shoes ... I am pretty sure you would not be saying the same thing right now, you would maybe be saying its a great thing now that you have a shot at 3200$ in freerolls every week.

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Posted on Jul 30th 2010
Its funny that you PI guys always tells us that you get a lot of mails from users who likes your changes. But how come they never show up here on the board then? I'm starting to believe you guys fill us with crap, sorry. And please stop saying that when the players find out that the new system isn't any good, that PI will look into it, cause PI will not look into anything at all. THEY HAVE NEVER DONE SO, SO WHY SHOULD THAT CHANGE??? I asked for stats of where your users are from, and asked for some examples on when PI have listened to their users. I got nothing. Now can we get some stats, and examples on that please? And supper time is long over at those times over here I can tell you LOL  
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Posted on Jul 30th 2010

Its funny that you PI guys always tells us that you get a lot of mails from users who likes your changes. But how come they never show up here on the board then? I'm starting to believe you guys fill us with crap, sorry.

And please stop saying that when the players find out that the new system isn't any good, that PI will look into it, cause PI will not look into anything at all. THEY HAVE NEVER DONE SO, SO WHY SHOULD THAT CHANGE???

I asked for stats of where your users are from, and asked for some examples on when PI have listened to their users. I got nothing. Now can we get some stats, and examples on that please?

And supper time is long over at those times over here I can tell you LOL

 

These players don't come in the forums because they are not forums guys and why would they need to come in here just to tell you that they like the new changes? They are happy with the changes and most of them are probably too busy playing then coming in the forums and if you were happy with the changes you would probably not be posting a tons about it in the forums anyway.

For example of suggestions we have followed on:

-Changing the blinds system in some tournaments such as the Team Freerolls because it was too long.

-Put tournaments with tokens such as Bronze, Silver and Gold, Players before that it was all with passwords.

-BetMost software problems, we have submited everything we have received to iPoker to have it fixed.

And thats just to name a few, unfortunately I will not be wasting time enumerating them all from years back.

Regarding our traffic stats this regards PokerInside sorely, what will it change for you that 70% of players are from North America , 20% from Europe and 10% from elsewhere. We do our best to make everyones happy but its impossible since nobody leave at the same place in the world therefore its impossible to keep everyone happy but we do our best.

Again ... '' And supper time is long over at those times over here I can tell you LOL ''   this comment is sorely based on your situation alone what if we make it so the tournament is unreachable for other Europeans or North America? Quick question ... what if the tournaments were Saturdays or splitted between Saturdays + Sundays? These are just suggestions I am throwing out there I would love to hear your opinions on the subject but from the sound of your last few posts no matter what we do there will always be something to argue about. But again, I am all ear to hear whatever suggestions or ideas you have about starting times etc. If its just to rant and not bring anything to the table please refrain from posting we got your point on that already what we want its constructive posts that will help the community and benefits to be better.

Its nothing against you buddy and I hope we can work together and making things better. We just need to keep in mind that we need to look further than ourself and think about others in our ideas/suggestions.

Thanks,

Simon

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Posted on Jul 30th 2010
I would be a very happy man if you split them up between Saturdays and Sundays, and then swap around next week, letting the tokens expire after 4 weeks, so that a player like me could play the tourneys on Saturdays. Like One week the 3 small tours are played on Saturday, and the 3 big ones on Sunday, and then swap that around for the next week. That is something I've suggested in the past to make changing running times of all tours, so that everyone have a fair chance of using their tokens. Like the Players and Gamblers freeroll, that is in the middle of the night. That could run earlier one week, then in the night next week. I just want my opinions heard. I think I have the right to do that :)
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Posted on Aug 2nd 2010  -  Subject: To simon
MichFran: They are actually 30 minutes later, Bronze , Silver and Gold were starting at 19:00 and 19:30 for the Bronze so technically its 30mins we are talking about. If we see that a lot of players are asking for the tournaments to start 1-2 hours priors we will definitely look into it and adjust, but right now the ''metals'' (bronze, silver and gold) we have not receive many complaints about them since they are after dinner for most Europeans. But as I said we will definitely adjust if needed. Samoh1: I really like that atttitude, you will see how it unfolds and then we can discuss more about it and make changes if needed. We have a tons of members that emailed us about the changes and are excited to see how it will go. steel69: First of all sorry to hear that you are leaving for Bodog if 2x 500$ freerolls with 5000 players in it or so is better for you there is not much I can do. I just hope you will give the new freerolls structure a shot I am pretty sure you have WAY MORE chances to win one of our freerolls than winning any of the daily Bodog freerolls with a boat load of players but that is up to you to figure it out. To finish, if you were still playing 3$-6$ limits poker you know that you would be getting ALOT back with the Poker Payback and that you would probably qualify for ALL tournaments every week, I am not sure what is holding you out ... if you start playing the limits you are saying you play you would be HAPPY with the new changes since you would be rewarded for your hard play with a nice Poker Payback + 3200$ in Freerolls tokens every week. PS: That page you are referring to about freerolls will be updated and regarding the Gambler freerolls its a ''Marketing'' tools for affiliate and you know it as its been discussed many times already. Anyway, I hope you will give it a shot to see out it work out and I do welcome your ideas/suggestions if you have any but enough rant, let's move forward and see how it works out. asdasdada: Sorry to hear you are going to Carbon I hope you are getting good benefits(no need to post them as its only concern you) as I said already this page you are referring to will be updated and reflect the new freeroll structure. No offense sir, but you have got you share of a tons of freerolls throughout PI and many other great benefits. To conclude, all I am saying is that give a chance to the new freerolls structure if you play you will be rewarded like you should be. A lot of players have been playing WAY OVER the ''minimum requeriements'' for the past years and they were getting pretty much the same benefits as players that were only doing the minimum ... is it fair to them? I will repeat again put yourselves in other players shoes ... I am pretty sure you would not be saying the same thing right now, you would maybe be saying its a great thing now that you have a shot at 3200$ in freerolls every week.Interesting enough, I do not get any freeroll benefits, except some crappy 2000 players for $100 dollars, and 35% rakeback, however, there are big overlay tourneys so that makes up for it. Question, how will conversion work,  I have 5 bronze tokens, some of them I got from 5 nibs and some from 60 nibs.  For the Im suppose to get copper, and for the 60 Nibs, im suppose to get ruby, brownze and copper.  How will you convert the tokens then?  It would not be fair to give everyone all 3 tokens because some worked harder than others =/.  Idk if there will be a way to satisfy everyone, because if you just change my 500 token to the 300 token, I know I wont be.  The best thing I can think og is to give every1 the ruby brownze and copper so no one complains as much, but are you guys really doing that?
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Posted on Aug 2nd 2010

MichFran: I will definitely submit the idea to the team, let have it run first, see how it goes and we will discuss some more after at least one week have passed.

asdasdada: It won't be fair because of the old structure players were paid the same and not more if they play hard. This is EXACTLY why we have this new structure in place because some players were getting the same token even if they make 60 Poker Nibs and someone else 5 Poker Nibs this won't happen anymore players that play more will be rewards as it should not otherwise as you said ... its unfair.

For the conversion we are still look into this but I don't think we will just issue 3 tokens to everyone. It will be a based conversion no matter if you have made 5 or 60 nibs to get your token (with the new structure this won't happen again) as soon as I have more details on the conversion rate we will use I will definitely post it here.

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Posted on Aug 3rd 2010
I look forward to that. It would really mean a lot to me. Players that prefer to play on Sundays, can still do that. Those who earn all 6 tokens, can then play 3 tours one Sunday and 3 the next. Playing 6 at a time is hard, as most players have other tours on Sundays, which would probably mean a lot of sitouts in the smaller Tours. But playing 3 each sunday would be perfect I think :)
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Posted on Aug 3rd 2010  -  Subject: good point
I look forward to that. It would really mean a lot to me. Players that prefer to play on Sundays, can still do that. Those who earn all 6 tokens, can then play 3 tours one Sunday and 3 the next. Playing 6 at a time is hard, as most players have other tours on Sundays, which would probably mean a lot of sitouts in the smaller Tours. But playing 3 each sunday would be perfect I think :)Very good point on playing 6 freerolls at once, I hate to stack my tables, but I also like to have tables about 1/4 of my moniter (old CRT moniter).  3/3 sounds good to me 
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Posted on Aug 4th 2010
What about PokerInside Player Freeroll token? How will it be converted?  And I must point out that it would be only fair to get the same or bigger amount of prize pool during conversion (BRONZE + PLAYER=500$+700$=1200$) otherwise...
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Posted on Aug 4th 2010
hello there. i apologize for my bad eng in advance :P i cant see why u complaint about the new freeroll system and the pi benefits. my experience with the benefits from the past weeks is that are great and work out good for me. its to easy to earn 100 nibs, i ve done it twice in the last week 1st time in 10s husng with took me 2 days of not so much volume and the 2nd was in the 1 and 2 dollars husng witch took me 3 days to colect +100 nibs and the good think is that after i collected the nibs i gone broke twice due to monkey tilting and taking chances to rush in the higher stakes. anyhow i ship the last silver freeroll for a nice 400 dollars; ~35-40 players witch means that the ticket worth 35 bucks witch means that with the payback and the ticket u get 100% rakeback!!!!! and the players are playing BAD in these tourneys. anyway i lost the 400 in the next day trying to catch up with the varience in the 100s husng but made 83nibs for like 3 hours of play. also i got one email that my team(im the only member :P) got in the leaderboard for the teams freeroll. and all of these without puting much effort in it and all that from small deposits.   what im trying to say is that now that i checked the pi benefits a litle more deep that i used to i m stunted. i play in the full tilt (without the damn rakeback) and i knew that i lose value because i dont have rakeback bad the games were good in mid husng. as i calculate the payback if i played full time in betmost i see that only from the low payback deal i have(16c per nib) in the month i will get at least 320$ extra just from the payback! it realy boost your roi and if i count the tokens worth its insane that i still play elsewhere.even a break even player in the low sngs can make a some money just from benefits.   anyway by the early september i will have move my bankroll in the betmost and put some real volume to see how it will go.i aim for the high vip levels to see what the benefits are up there from pi and from betmost(i look the other day and they say they give weekly money in your account in the higher vip levels and with the payback i think i will get a ton of extra value insted of a no rakeback account).   gj PI keep up the good work u won me.     PS:and 2 things that i see that would do good in the freerolls is that it has to change the blind levels and starting stacks, like that its like 2xturbo and that the registration sould start 1 hour 30 min before the tourney start because it has tons of sit outs. my regards and keep it :D
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