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Effective Bankroll Management.....it takes a lil luck and a lot of learning

Published on Jun 8th 2008 12:11AM by Dingus - Views: 222

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I feel as though one of the often misunderstood concepts in poker is the idea of holding a bankroll. When I first started playing, I was like most players, I would deposit money, win a little, but eventually give it all away. I would then redeposit and continue the cycle. Before I knew it, I was down $600 and I knew something had to be done. I read some online articles about suggested bankroll sizes, redeposited $50, vowed never to deposit again (this was back in 2004) and proceed to start at the very bottom, $2 NL on Paradise Poker. I had 25 buyins, and decided that this was enough to multi table 8 tables, putting about 35% of my BR (bankroll) on the line at any given time.

I quickly got into a rhythmn and began building a larger bankroll, winning up to $50 in 6 days (pretty good for $2 NL I'd say). As my bankroll grew I began to move up limits, $10 NL, then $25 and I also began to move around to different sites, experimenting with different styles and eventually fell into a groove at $25 NL, growing my Bankroll to $1000. I jumped to $200 NL, buying in for $80 at 2-4 tables and did quite well, growing my bankroll to 2K, and moved sites again, settling in at CD poker and grew my BR to 3K, and began 4 tabling for full buyin. This great run was soon side tracked by some unfortunate beats, some bad luck and my roll began to decrease. Soon it was 2.5K, then 2K. I dropped limits, experimented with styles and soon hit rock bottom, dropping to 1K. It had taken me the better part of 2 years to grind out my bankroll and I had now seen it drop by 67%.

Needless to say I was a little annoyed, a little disappointed and quite unsure oh how I should proceed. I kicked around $25NL and $50NL, tried some $25 and $50 PL Omaha, tried SNG's, Limit holdem, Stud and Stud HL, but never found the success I had at NL. My roll would jump up, then drop down. I was still able to cash out winnings during this time period, but never quite got my building back on track. Although I had cashed out over 10K worth of winnings and have not had a losing year since I started online poker, I was disappointed in my own BR management and knew something had to be done.

My philosophy in the beginning was as follows:

10x buyin for the level you are playing at, regardless of how many tables you want to play.

My philosophy changed to the following:

40 x buyin (could be full, half buyins) for the level I am playing at

My philosophy was:

10% of my bankroll in play at any given time, no more than 4 tables at once

My philosophy now:

70% buyin, 8 tables, no reload unless down to 50% of buyin, reload for max on bust if table is soft, 3% or less at a table to start, no more than 25% in play at any given time, lose two buyins quit.

 

So what then is effective bankroll management for any given player?

That answer is a dynamic and ever changing one, for each player is different and has a different comfort zone. For myself, I prefer to multi table, thus require a larger bankroll. Figure on 40 buyins is safe, adding another 10-20 if you multi table to the extreme level of 8+ in order to handle the potential for swings.

How can I determine my own bankroll size?

Start by determing the amount that you want to buyin at the level you are playing. I prefer 70% buyins, so my bankroll is created by multiplying 40 by the amount I sit down with. $100 NL -> 40 x 70 = $2800 + (10 x 70) = $3500 with the multi table factor added in. If you are comfortable playing with fewer buyins, or single table, then your roll with be a lot smaller. Figure on at least 20 buyins to provide a secure enough cushion and then experiment with the size of your roll. In the beginning, you may be playing a bit outside of your BR (as you will see I am right now) but if you are comfortable enough and still have a sufficient amount of money back, then you will be fine.

My current bankroll building plan (started June 1, 2008)

As I mentioned above, my BR had been depleted and after a few unsuccesful attempts to rebuild, I set out the following plan:

I looked at each month and figured that with solid play I should be able to average $20 in wins a day at $50 NL and over the course of the month accounting for losses should easily be able to win $500. Given my hectic work schedule over the summer (I can usually squeeze 1-2 hours in of play a day if I like), I figured that this amount was conservative enough to allow for a long term building plan, but without making me feel like I wasn't getting anywhere.

With a starting roll of $1100, my targets for each month are: $1700 by July, $2200 by August, $2700 by September, $3200 by October and $3700 by November.

My overall goal right now is to be back to $3500 by the end of October. I am currently 8 tabling at $50 NL and may move up to $100 NL once my roll can sustain 8 tabling, but I have not decided that yet.

My current results are as follows, playing 10 tables at a time.

(I play on 2 sites, $25 PL Omaha Hi Lo on Full Tilt ->2 tables and $50 NL on BetMost -> 8 tables)

Full Tilt : Starting roll $25............current roll $265

BetMost: starting roll $1100........current roll $1425

Overall Bankroll $1690

Basically, utilizing a solid multi tabling philosophy (and a nice little $150 7th place finish in an Omaha HL tourney on Full Tilt) I am almost at my end of month goal for June. I have had some luck, but that has certainly not been the main factor. I am very comfortable with my bankroll and the limit I am at right now, which allows me to just play comfortably and only worry about my game. There will be some ups and downs in the coming months, no doubt about that. But as long as I adhere to my bankroll guidelines and don't try to move up limits until my roll is ready, I will be able to take on any swings that may occur. I have endured some ridiculous swings in my short poker career and feel more prepared than ever to tackle the upcoming stretch. Bankroll magement is not about just having enough to move up limits, its about providing yourself with the security to play your game, ride out misfortune and jump back into the fray without a moments hesitation, even when things seem to be going poorly. Build your roll, build your experience and hopefully there will be success at whatever limits you find yourself at.


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Comments (19)

63491
Posted on Jun 8th 2008 by neophron

Good post, i give it a 5

89548
Posted on Jun 8th 2008 by playtoy22

Nice post,well written... :D
Gave it a 5 as well.
gl with this

63432
Posted on Jun 8th 2008 by cplbear

great post cant wait for the updates

77447
Posted on Jun 8th 2008 by swissgambler

nice blog, worth to read!! and i agree, each player do have his or her own BR management, matching to their play and strategies!

91109
Posted on Jun 8th 2008 by fritzson

I have to stand in the same line as the other guys here. Great Blog.. this makes me want to keep up my work with my BR. I think there are keywords for your story: time and patience! Even if you are dropping down, just take it easy, you can go up again soon. Thank you for this one! I think you should have full score for this one.

11992
Posted on Jun 8th 2008 by Dingus

Anyone interested in additional thoughts on bankroll management can refer to the post I wrote in the PI forum.

http://www.pokerinside.com/forums/cash-games-4/what-exactly-is-bankroll-management-i-ll-tell-you--656823.html

91588
Posted on Jun 9th 2008 by propergood

To quote you:
"I feel as though one of the often misunderstood concepts in poker is the idea of holding a bankroll.

This is definitely the case, as I think you are very confused, buying in with less than 100 BB is shit, it means you are not confident in your ability to beat the game, if you were you would want the most money on the table at any given time, so that when you are involved in a pot you stand to win the most.

If like I said you aren't confident you should play at a limit where you feel confident (lower) and feel like you will be putting your money in good. If you think you are going to put your money in a + EV situation then you should put in as much as you can and thus buying in for less than 100 BB is not a smart move.

Your post is fine, but if you are handing out advice at least give people the right advice buying in short is for peices of shit.

88006
Posted on Jun 9th 2008 by payday00

Whilst your blog does stand out amidst the sea of shit flooding the blog page for length and actual poker content, I'm going to have to go with propergood on this one.

Shortstacking. Ugh. Stay the hell off my tables.

There is merit to shortstacking but it aint buying in for 70bb.

Looks like PI are 0/2 with featured blogs.

91588
Posted on Jun 9th 2008 by propergood

I must give you credit for your story telling ability, but that is about all this blog has got going for it. The wisdom that you are passing out to the masses is for lack of a better word, shit.

It brings to mind an old saying:
"You can't polish a turd"
"But you can roll it in glitter"

Nice job with glitter hope your hands didn't get too dirty from playing with poo.

11992
Posted on Jun 9th 2008 by Dingus

Interesting that both payday and propergood have missed the entire point of the post, something I am not to surprised of, given the fact that they both resort to posting useless comments. THE POINT of the post is to enlighten players on steps to creating there own bankroll and managing it effectively, not giving pointers on what to sit down with our how to maximiize profits.

I have no confidence issues in buying in for the max, and in fact do not buyin for the max on purpose due to the image that it provides me on the table. I have played many many hands of holdem and have found that buying in for max does not provide enough of an edge as players feel it does. There are not enough all in situations where having a full stack allows you to maximize profits. Most often you are getting called by short stacks that you have more than covered and due to your full buyin, often other full stacks will shy away from allin confrontations because they don't want to lose a full buyin.

Thank you for your comments, but they really are useless and if you choose not to get anything out of this, than that is your problem and you can continue dumping money at the tables to smart players like myself and those that are willing to learn.

88006
Posted on Jun 9th 2008 by payday00

Well done for being a man and not deleting my comments, but know that I am 100% serious about the 70% buy-in issue.

Yes, all-in situations between full-stacked players happen rarely, but each time they do you sacrifice equity by not being able to cover their stack. There are other benefits, increased fold equity against players scared to play big pots with you notwithstanding.

If it isn't confidence issues, surely there is no good reason for not buying in full? I did read your post on the image a shorter stack gives you at the table, but can this make up for your lost equity?

My comment, although blunt, wasn't useless. How much I get out of blog posts would depend on their actual content now wouldn't it?

11992
Posted on Jun 9th 2008 by Dingus

As I said, this post has NOTHING to do with what you buyin for. That is entirely up to each player, and not the POINT of my post. I was simply offering what I do, in order to provide a clearer picture of how to determine bankroll requirements and what not. If you would like to discuss the merit of buying in with less than a full buyin, you can wait for me to post that in the blog section.

Once again, this is a post on BANKROLL, not buyin.

92879
Posted on Jun 9th 2008 by moxets

nice job..

88454
Posted on Jun 9th 2008 by PI_Viceroid

This a very good post, good attitude, keep it on!

:D

91588
Posted on Jun 10th 2008 by propergood

Thats fine but if you are going to touch on an off topic subject you should touch on it fully.

By the by I think with RB and bonus you should be able to ship more than 500 a month, how many hands are you playing per month?

11992
Posted on Jun 10th 2008 by Dingus

I did not "touch" on an off topic. I used my own buyin as an example. I could have quite easily used a full buyin, however I chose to use mine, since the post was based on my own bankroll guidelines.

As for the $500 a month, I will most certainly clear those. They were modest goals set out in an attempt to look at the big picture and not try to squeeze myself into playing too much, or too long.
It's only 10 days into June and I'm already past my goal, and that is fine. I won't adjust my monthly goals, simply add the extra on to the overall total goal (overall goal is $3500, made $400 extra in June, now I'm shooting for $3900 overall goal). I'm looking for consistent building, as long as I reach my goal by November, I don't care how I do it and if I surpass it sooner than later, thats even better.

84947
Posted on Jun 15th 2008 by chillipepp

interesting, good blog !

keep up the good work

93260
Posted on Jun 15th 2008 by e7husky

good post,nice read about br management;but i think that no more then 6 table,4 is optimal for
100NL,u should try to give more atention at other players,with 8 tables is more difficult IMO.

good luck in the future ! cheers

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Posted on Jun 24th 2008 by adriano83

good post ... i have to admit that i never really thought about a real "bankroll management" ... gave me some interesting hints to think about

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